sweetener. coca-cola has a natural low calorie sweetener they are starting to use. they're doing that. they're replacing with another artificial sweetener. more of a perception issue. >> thank you for your insight. i appreciate it as always. thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour" straight ahead. his family tried to free him but the deal fell through. new details this morning on the american hostage killed by mistake in a u.s. drone strike. terror raids in italy right now. men who guarded osama bin laden suspects targeting the vatican. has an active cell been neutralized? and a school stage filled with students collapses. new details about what happened next and new questions about what went so wrong.

hello, everyone. i'm john berman. kate is off today. we begin this morning with ransom. the surprising revelation that the family of warren weinstein paid his captors in 2012. weinstein was one of the two hostages killed by mistake in a u.s. drone strike against al qaeda in january. a source in contact with the kidnappers tells cnn his family paid ransom but the terrorists demanded more. they wanted a prisoner exchange. also, new information this morning about the last time the family had so-called proof of life. warren weinstein's wife actually heard his voice over the phone. want to bring in cnn's chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. new details this morning and in some cases new disturbing details. >> reporter: the family making an attempt to win warren weinstein's freedom and questions about whether the money went to the right group. that's a fair question.

an interlocator was used and that's raising the question whether they talk to it the right people. you have a couple degrees of separation there. bottom line is it didn't work. whether the money got to the right people or not, there was a demand for more and this shows you the risks when you deal with this sort of thing and it's why the fbi and why the u.s. government and one of the reasons they're uncomfortable with it and unfortunately in this case it didn't work out. >> any more clarity this morning 24 hours exactly after this news went public. anymore clarity from the officials you spoke to about what went wrong here and how they didn't know that warren weinstein and the italian hostage were inside that al qaeda compound. >> reporter: this is the best explanation i heard. they had hundreds of hours of surveillance video of that particular compound where two hostages were killed and the american, the al qaeda leader. hundreds of hours of surveillance video but none of that video did they see

hostages. that's understandable because the hostages were very high value and not just in dollar terms but in terms of leverage with the u.s. and they would be very well hidden. they might not ever not just leave the compound but they might not go outside. i spoke to david yesterday who was held along the afghan/pakistan border and he said in his own experience they did that. they believe if you looked up at the sky, that satellites had facial recognition technology. the terrorists have even an outside sense of what u.s. capabilities are so they keep them close. it's conceivable you could have watched that compound and not know that those captives were inside. that does not minimize that this was really a spectacular intelligence failure because not only did you not know there were hostages inside, you didn't know there was an american al qaeda leader in that compound and then four days later another strike where you believe there could be a senior al qaeda leader.

so partly it shows limitations of intelligence because it's always difficult. but it shows an intelligence failure here. that's why you have the cia inspector general investigating. >> it raises questions about the programs at play here. thank you so much. we have more major terror related news this morning. happening as we speak, terror raids across italy with targets including associates of osama bin laden. officials say that suspects were picked up on wiretaps. suspects who had planned attacks on sites including the vatican. nic robertson following this story as we said is developing as we speak. >> reporter: italians say it's the biggest operation like this they have conducted. they have arrested all pakist i pakistanis taking place in a number of different places in italy. in central italy, northern italy and also on the italian island. this group, they say, was

planning and helping finance attacks inside pakistan. one of those attacks was a very deadly attack on a marketplace in 2009. more than 100 people were killed. the group was shifting money physically and also through other means to terror groups inside pakistan but what really worries the italian authorities here is the discovery they were planning that inside italy as well. one could have been against the vatican. this is in early 2010. another detail that the prosecutor talked about today. he said that they brought into the group somebody that was described as a kamikaze. it's a suicide bomber because the description for the type of attack was for this suicide bomber, this person to detonate explosives inside a crowded

place and at the vatican in march 2010, that would have been in the leaks leading up to easter and that would have been an even more crowded time than normal. >> the details on this story still coming in. we'll have more in a bit. thanks. video this morning that really will just take your breath away. watch this. >> a stage collapsed at an indiana high school that injured about two dozen students simply terrifying. bystanders rushed to help the students performing the last song in a concert when the platform as you can see again and again just gave way. all injured students were rushed to area hospitals. i want to bring in ryan young following this story for us this morning. good morning, ryan. >> reporter: very terrifying. the mother of one of the students was holding her cell

phone filming that when it happened. she said for the first few seconds she was just in shock and then everybody wanted to rush to the stage to see how far the students had fallen. it was a ten-foot drop because it was over the orchestra area. some students were badly injured. the girl who was in critical is now in stable condition. that's the best news. everyone has been watching this video trying to figure out exactly what happened. how did this stage collapse. police are leading this investigation. state police will be here to figure out what happened. as you can imagine, this was scary for so many in the crowd. >> i couldn't see him. i assumed he was in the pit when it happened. it was a relief when i saw he was still standing but a sick feeling of dread for all of the parents and all of the kids that were impacted more directly.

>> reporter: they were singing "don't stop believing" by journey and the group has not stopped believing. a lot of students here are saying they can't wait for next year's performance. this was sold out. more than 900 people here for this. you can imagine the rush to the stage. everyone saying the administration handled this correctly but now the big question is what happened and why did the stage collapse? john? >> indeed they will look at that over the next few days i'm sure. ryan young, thanks so much. serious concerns this morning in chile. a spectacular volcanic eruption. the calbuco volcano shooting smoke plumes and ash six miles into the sky. it's blown its top twice in the last 24 hours and chileans are bracing for a third possible and more powerful eruption. experts say that more activity could come as soon as today. about 4,400 people are being evacuated from that region and of course the smoke and ash there could affect air travel over a much wider area.

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does the united states need to do more, work harder and be smarter to free american hostages? the tragic news that warren weinstein was killed by mistake in a u.s. drone strike raising serious questions about whether the u.s. missed chances to win his release long ago. on this show, the weinstein's congressman jim delaney frustrated called for a hostage czar. >> we don't have someone that wakes up every morning and can cut across all bureaucracy and grab any resource at any agency and bring it to bear to help find these hostages. >> now we have word from a

source that the weinstein family itself paid ransom to try to free warren weinstein. joining me to talk about this, phil mudd, former cia counterterrorism official. phil, i want to start with the issue of ransom. when you hear word that the family of this man itself paid ransom to try to win his release, what does that say to you? >> there's a difficult choice here for a government official. the federal law says you can't provide material support to a terror group. if you think in my judgment this won't happen the department of justice will walk into a family that's grieving and say we'll bring charges against you for supplying money, i can't imagine that happening. >> forget charges. what about the idea the government itself needs to do more? you heard congressman delaney calling for a hostage czar here. we heard from weinstein's daughter way back when bowe bergdahl was released in a hostage swap, she was

criticizing what the government is doing here. let's listen to what she said. >> it's true that sergeant bergdahl is a soldier and deserves the respect of anyone that serves in the military, but my father is just as deserving a freedom as sergeant bergdahl. to me they can't just pick and choose and decide that it works to get one person out and leave everybody else there. >> u.s. chose to trade taliban people in guantanamo bay to trade suspected terrorists for bowe bergdahl. no such trade here for warren weinstein. is that inconsistent? >> i don't think it is. it's not inconsistent because through centuries, you have a tradition of trading on the battlefield. he was captured on the battlefield. the guys at guantanamo were battlefield. there's a legitimate question. he's a u.s. government aid worker. should we bring him home? >> this guy was helping pakistanis with economic

development. this guy worked in the peace corps. you say it's not worth it? it's worth saying a guy charged with aiding the enemy. >> there's a difference of trading soldier for soldier and change the policy and say for different categories of individuals captured. i think there's a businessic question here that's legitimate. the question is not whether he's the same as bergdahl. the question is when you have an american citizen sent overseas on official business, how far do you go to bring them home? fair question. >> fair question and does the u.s. need to go further? >> i think we need. there's a difference between providing material support, that is providing money, and saying do we have a conversation with groups we consider to be terror groups? i'm not talking about a negotiation. would we consider it legitimate to talk to the taliban or al qaeda? i would say, yeah, sure. >> i want to ask about drone strikes in general. all of these people were killed in a signature strike. that is the u.s. says it wasn't

targeting specific individuals. it had reason to believe that in near certainty that there were terrorists inside these compounds. not specific terrorists but terrorists in general. these were called signature strikes. are they valuable or inherently risky? >> they're not valuable. they're critical. we eliminated a generation of al qaeda and not just leadership but second and third tier by which you refer to as signature strikes. back before these strikes, you typically would identify an individual, u.s. government intelligence would identify someone by name and say he's legitimate as a target. you've seen these drone operations explode under the obama administration because signature strikes aren't looking at an individual. they may look at a collection of 20 to 30 people. i'm looking at this through the eyes of the adversary. i listen to them talk and listen to detainees talk. that's devastating. the reason i know that is because they say that. they hate these things. >> don't give it up now because of the awful tragedy that happened. thank you for being with us. we'll see you again. a lot more to talk about.

a new call for change in police leadership in baltimore. new theories about how freddie gray was fatally injured while in custody. new details ahead.

new this morning, protesters in baltimore calling for a change in leadership at the police department. some clashed with police overnight. two were arrested after days of peaceful protests surrounding the death of freddie gray. representatives of the gray family met with the politicice commissioner yesterday but no answers as to how the 25 year old ended up with a severed spine after his arrest dying a

week later. his funeral is set for monday. joe johns joins us now live from baltimore. joe, what's the latest? >> reporter: an interdenominational alliance of ministers calling for resignation or termination of the police commissioner here. they are also calling for an apology from the fraternal order of police for likening some of the demonstrators to a lynch mob. we do know that at least one of the prominent ministers in this city, the pastor of the empowerment temple church is expected to meet today with the mayor as the city looks ahead to the demonstrations on the weekend as well as the funeral on monday of freddie gray. we also know that an alliance group of activists is expected to call for the governor of the

state of maryland to institute changes through executive action after problems and issues have arisen from the death of freddie gray. now one of the problems that people have been talking about most in this city right now is the issue of seat belts on the transport vans. it appears at least from a quote that was made by the police commissioner that freddie gray was not strapped in in the transport van. there has been concerns to another case dating back to 2005 in which an individual was severely injured, a spinal injury leading to death resulting in a huge lawsuit. sounds strikingly similar to what could have occurred in this case. the flip side of that is people who look at the video of freddie gray as he was taken to the transport van suggest it's very possible that his legs, even his spine, were injured at that time. so we all await conclusive

information from any investigation and any results that might be released. the police commissioner has said he would like to see those results done at least a week from today. john? >> by may 1st we could get answers. joe johns in baltimore. thanks so much. ahead for us "at this hour," warren weinstein, the man. we'll look at the life of this american hostage who we just learned yesterday was killed. we'll speak to two people who knew him well. there's nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. so why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? with cialis for daily use, you don't have to plan around either. it's the only daily tablet

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i'm glad we're focusing on his life. he was full of life and people responded to that. he had an exuberance that was almost overwhelming sometimes. he had a terrific ability with languages and we used to joke that my husband and i, that warren could get on a bus in liberia and by the time he got off the bus, he would be speaking the language of the bus driver who would have invited warren to dinner and it turned out that just about something like that had actually happened to warren so he was just an astonishing person. he cared deeply about other people. a colleague told me about an episode in one of the former belgian colonies, i believe it was rwanda when warren was interviewing people about human rights issues and one of his

contacts was a little nervous because he saw warren was taking notes. he said if anybody in the government sees this, i'll be in trouble. warren showed him what he was doing. this person was speaking in french and warren was taking the notes down in one of the languages in the pakistan and just the amazing facility of doing that and also recognizing the concern that other people would have about these notes that would be meaningless to anybody who picked them up in that country. so all of his life he behaved in that way and as i said, people responded to it. he loved his family. his wife. his daughters. he barely knew the grandchildren unfortunately but one of the reasons he was working was

trying to build a financial foundation for them knowing that in the best of times he wouldn't be there for their entire lives. he just adored his life. >> he adored his family. he also seemed to adore his work, which as you say so eloquently was to help, was to help people around the world. a peace corps in africa and most recently in pakistan where we understand he went to great ends to dress the way people do in the local areas there and to speak the local language. i wonder if you can tell us the importance to him of the work he was doing in this dangerous part of the world. >> well, as i said, all of it was he had originally worked for the u.s. agency for international development and then after he left that work, i think he found the bureaucracy a little constraining sometimes.

he joined a business that served as a contractor for a.i.d. and operated in a slightly different fashion but in both cases dedicated to the development of better economic future for other peoples and that's what he was doing in pakistan. he was preparing to leave later that year, but in his last e-mail to me, which i found the other day, he said that he was looking forward to being at home and he would like to just stay at home and be with his family for quite a while and maybe not even leave the house for a little while. in the meantime, he went out and mixed with people and he tried to appreciate their food. he had a great love of different cuisines and loved cooking them. his life was just about

appreciating all of the wonderful cultures and the way that people live all around the world and as i said, people really responded to that. the messages on his facebook page now reflect that. he's admired and also respected for what he did. >> what a life trying to help people. >> i'll miss him tremendously. >> i think a lot of people will miss him tremendously. thank you so much. he was captured and held in a country he was trying so badly to help. ahead for us "at this hour," the accidental killing of those hostages. does it expose a weakness in u.s. intelligence? why didn't officials know where warren weinstein was inside that compound? why didn't they know where he was in the world frankly and how did they lose track of him? (dog) mmm, this beneful healthy weight is so good... i mean how can this be low- calorie? how is that even possible?

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new questions about how a u.s. drone targeting al qaeda ends up killing a kidnapped american. the white house said it had no idea that warren weinstein was held inside the targeted al qaeda compound but perhaps more troubling word this morning that the u.s. government had no idea where he was at all. that reporting comes from bloomberg view columnist josh rogin and phil mudd joining us once again. josh, you're reporting this morning is that frankly the u.s. government had no idea where warren weinstein was. >> exactly. i spent the day yesterday talking to many of the senior counterterrorism and diplomatic officials involved in the search for warren weinstein over the last three years and they said the same thing. they said that when he was taken they thought he was taken by a group and transferred quickly to the leadership of al qaeda, which claimed to have him

shortly thereafter and they didn't have a beat on him. they said this was six months after the osama bin laden raid and pakistani military and intelligence services weren't in a cooperative move and the trail went cold. for three years they had no idea where to locate him. that's really two implications for the story. one is that it probably is true. it's absolutely true that this was an accident. there was really no way they could have known he was at this location that they bombed in january. at the same time it outlines the problem with what a lot of people are now looking at. the signature strikes is we often don't have on the ground intelligence and therefore we don't know exactly who is at these locations before we strike them. >> phil mudd, you have been on the ground. you have been in this fight against terrorists. are you surprised that the u.s. had no idea where this guy was especially considering there had been some contact at least with intermediaries and there had been phone conversations and videos? >> you have to understand the nature of this adversary. we're not talking about al

qaeda. we're talking about al qaeda pockets that aren't necessarily coordinating with each other. you heard a reference to the network of pakistanis that has held hostages and afghan taliban and pakistani taliban and some of those cases if you think about the range of intelligence, think about the bin laden operation. you're going to have enough fidelity on the target to say there's a named individual in there we can go after. in other cases you'll say he see a collection of al qaeda guys in my intelligence on that target isn't good enough. you have to think about this as a range of intelligence. sometimes precise, sometimes signature of a adversary. >> the signature program that you're talking about isn't just necessary. phil calls it critical to the battle against terror here. the white house made a point of saying it raises legitimate questions, the mistake we learned about yesterday raises legitimate questions about the drone program. they're asking the questions today and tomorrow. based on your reporting, do you

think they'll make changes to this program that phil mudd and others deem as critical? >> there will be several reviews to see if changes need to be made. the problem with the assertions of intelligence and administration officials that this is a critical program is that most of the details have remained shrouded in secrecy for many years. we know that although these attacks have taken a lot of terrorists off the battlefield, hundreds of civilians have been killed. eight americans killed by drone strikes and only one was actually targeted. two were probably innocent. i think what we're going to see based on the calls from leaders in both parties yesterday after this tragic mistake is a call for more transparency and more accountability. let's remember here that president obama called for an end to the signature strikes to match the end of u.s. combat operations in afghanistan but as we saw yesterday, that was never really enforced. so are the costs worth it for the benefits of these strikes? that's a good faith debate. it's one we can't have unless we

know more about how these decisions are made and where the procedure went wrong this time because this time it definitely failed. >> phil, you have ten seconds for a quick last word. you are shaking your head no. >> this is simple. if you have an adversary on the ground and you've identified and that adversary is plotting against new york or washington or against u.s. troops in afghanistan, that's a go no go. are you going to pull the trigger or not? if you want to avoid pulling the trigger because you're going to say we can't certify that 20 people on the compound are all guaranteed al qaeda guys, i'm going to say get out of the fight. >> president obama is the one who said we need near certainty that there won't be civilian casualties. that's what he said. if you were to hold him to his word, there needs to be more transparen transparency. >> that's the debate in washington in the coming days. thank you for being with us. ahead for us on the subject of terror, was an attack on the

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including the vatican. the operation could result in as many as 18 arrests and some members of this alleged terror cell even had direct contact with osama bin laden. let's bring in cnn counterterrorism analysts and author of agent storm, my life in al qaeda, paul cruickshank. italians call this one of the most important raids in italy ever. >> they are treating this seriously. this was a pakistani terrorist cell. people who lived in different parts of italy mainly involved in terrorism in pakistan. the group was actually partly responsible for that terrible attack in october of 2009 when hillary clinton was visiting pakistan that killed more than 100 people. they were also sending funds to pakistan to help the terrorist networks over there. at a certain point in march of

2010, five years ago, the italian police overheard what they thought was some kind of plan to possibly attack the vatican. it seemed to be an about this. these kind of wire taps and conversations are very, very difficult to interpret, especially when people perhaps are speaking in pash-to-you have to get translators in. back in 2009, for example, italian police thought they had thwarted a plot to attack the airport in paris when they overheard a conversation in which two militants were talking about attacking the gull, years later i spoke to a defense lawyer and turned out they were actually watching a soccer match. so attack the gull, attack the goal, shows these conversations can be difficult to interpret. >> make me want to pause when assessing the word from the italian officials here.

we hear that two of the guys they're after apparently body guards or at least associates of osama bin laden. how many people like that are there now still on the run and what are they doing? >> we don't know the answer to that and it's not clear what the link was between two of these individuals and osama bin laden, was it a direct link were they bodyguards? the italians are not being very categorical about that, but certainly very concerning that people with links to bin laden would still be free and operational in europe. the al qaeda threat has not gone away. they still have the presence in the afghanistan/pakistan border region and now they have a big presence in syria, with al nusra the terrorist group being the new al qaeda central. >> we know they haven't gone away because we see the effect of the drone strikes and the death of weinstein yesterday. ahead for us, big money and national politics.

"new york times" says hillary clinton needs to tell people where the money is coming from at the clinton foundation. we'll talk about that next.

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hillary clinton needs to come clean. that is the message in "the new york times" editorial today. the paper wants full disclosure about the money given to the clinton townedation the global

philanthropic organization her husband founded. the paper writes people need to know where foreign money is coming from to dispel a conflict of interest. they write no one should know better than the former state and first lady these accusations will fester if straightforward answers are not offered to the public. want to talk about this because a lot of smoke out there. joining us senior political reporter and cnn's political director. david, let me start with you, there is this reporting in "the new york times" "the wall street journal," "washington post" a new book that looks at the clinton cash and all of it is raising questions about whether this cash to the clinton foundation influenced decisions that were made at the state department while hillary clinton was in charge. what does all of this smoke, all of these charge, what effect do you think they have on her right now and her candidacy? >> step back for a moment. we are only, i don't know, about 12 days into her candidacy and a long way from stops at chipotle or the scooby van. this is not the second week of a

presidential campaign that the clinton folks would have wanted. you are right, there are all these stories out there. i'm not sure that voters are dialed in this earl throw every twist and turn of individual donors to the clinton foundation or not but the broader point that editorial pa page of the "new york times" is making lingers and hangs over the clinton campaign, she is eventually going to have to address the specifics of this. they've started to do that through spokesmen by taking on specific charges in the stories you're referring to, john, but i think in the totality, the package is hey, are the clintons playing by a different set of rules, above board on this, did she use her office in any way to benefit and line the pockets of the clintons themselves or help out the clinton foundation, and i think that those broad strokes are what hillary clinton is going to have to address herself. >> you know, look, as david was saying, the campaign is starting to do things in press leases, point by point, rebuttals of things in the books and articles. i want to read you a statement from the clinton campaign

spokesman brian fallen who says no one has produced a shred of evidence supporting the theory that hillary clinton ever took action as secretary of state to support the interest of donors to the clinton foundation. now, you know, i think people have covered clinton for years have a tendency to read every word they put out on paper and listen to every word out loud, no one has produced a shred of evidence supporting the theory that hillary clinton used her influence in such a way. that's almost -- isn't that like taunting people saying go out and find more evidence here. why don't they say things this never happened, no influence peddling here, the money never made a difference at all. >> they have a number of strategies, one of which there are no specifics here, maybe there's a smoking gun but no fire anywhere, right. on the other thing, is to say this is part of a vast right wing conspiracy. that argument is made more difficult because of the "new york times" stories, because of the "washington post" stories as well and in the aggregate this

makes it difficult for the clinton campaign and hillary clinton herself to make the argument that she's a champion for the little guy. that's what she has wanted to frame herself in the new rollout, humbler, kinder, gentler hillary clinton and this idea that perhaps there is the perception that she is using this clinton foundation, which has done a lot of good and they'll argue that too, could be involved in this sort of a pay for play scheme. you've had mitt romney go so far to call it bribery. those kind of stories out there, really i think are going to make it hard for her to make this other argument which they want to make, that se's the champion of the little guy. they've got to figure this out. it's the second week into the campaign so they've got a long way to address this stuff. >> david chalian, about 15 seconds left. where is bill clinton? he's the explainer in chief. can't he explain this. >> they have him on ice at the moment. the one comment that we have had from bill clinton on this, hey, the foundation does a lot of good around the world, that's going his role to talk about the good that the foundation does,

but i think it's going to be up to the clinton campaign proper to actually refute the charges. >> david chalian, and ma eya, great to have you with us on this friday. thank you all for being with us "at this hour." "legal view" begins with randi kaye today, right now. hello, everyone. i'm randi kaye in for ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." major international anti-terrorism operation is going on right now. police with handfuls of arrest warrants for islamic extremists, suspected bomb makers, people who once dealt directly with osama bin laden, some have been under surveillance for years and today they are being rounded up. here's where it's happening, all over italy. officials there have never gone after so many terror suspects at the very same time. and this explains some of the urgency, evidence shows that this terror cell had a lisof